Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #68 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Wed, 25 Mar 98 Volume 16 : Issue 68 Today's Topics: [A] 24 bit addressing [A] Cross-Platform Word Processors? [A] Moving graphic files between PC & MAC [Q] Moving graphic files between PC & MAC Audio CDs on AppleVision 750av Coax from 10baseT ethernet on a G3 (A) converting MS Word documents to PC character sets Cross Platform Word Processors Fax Software G3 Minitowers and Zip Drives Insignia Tech nonsupport internal web serving list problem list problem Missing Icons Missing(??) floating point coprocessor Q. - re missing printer desktop icon Q: Where do libraries go? Responses to: Problems with Sound-In source for PM8100 Screen Shots System 8.1 and zoom rectangles System 8.1, G3 + Apple RAM Disk Videophones on the Mac WordPerfect 3.5e updater WordPerfect v3.5e updater patch The Info-Mac Network is a volunteer organization that publishes the Info-Mac Digest and operates the Info-Mac Archive, a large network of FTP sites containing gigabytes of freely distributable Macintosh software. For more information, visit the Info-Mac Web site at . Email Addresses and Instructions: * To submit articles to the digest, email . * To subscribe, send email to with subscribe in the Subject line. * To unsubscribe, send email to with unsubscribe in the Subject line. * To change your address, unsubscribe from the old address, then subscribe from the new address. If that fails, try using the list maintenance form at before contacting us. * Please send administrative queries to . * To submit files for the archive, email the binhexed file with a description to . 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We'd also like to thank AOL for the main Info-Mac machine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Info-Mac Digest V16 #68" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:18:56 -0500 From: jrr7@cornell.edu (Jonathan Rynd) Subject: [A] 24 bit addressing Nope. 8.1 is locked into using 32 bit addressing. You could possibly get a Mac Emulator program to emulate an older Macintosh using 24 bit addressing...try www.emulation.net -- "Ethical Relativity: The exact same universal laws are always true, and apply to you no matter what your frame of reference is." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:49 -0400 From: Chris Gervais Subject: [A] Cross-Platform Word Processors? Ted, You can go two ways: 1) You can invest in the latest copy of MacLinkPlus Translators which uses Mac OS Easy Open to convert foreign documents, or 2) You can figure out exactly what software your client is running and get the equivalent Macintosh version. If their running Office for Windows, Microsoft has just released Office 98 for the Macintosh. If the use WordPerfect, Corel's WordPerfect for the Mac is a great word processor. I would say pick a software package that both you and your client can get and then stick to that standard! Cheers, Chris >I've taken on a new client who has no Macintosh capability but to whom I >need to send document files I have created *and formatted* that he can >print out of his Windows-based PC. He's in a university, so I assume he >has access to all the standard Windows wordprocessing software. Myself, I >use ClarisWorks for the Mac but figure I gotta get something else that runs >in both Macintosh and Windows and can exchange files readily. > >All recommendations gratefully received. > >Ted Logan >Logan Writing, Inc. >tedlogan@busprod.com ============================================================= Christopher Gervais -- Research & Development Manager VIS Development Corp. ============================================================= * All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer or any parties mentioned.* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:18:46 +0100 From: Thomas H Eberhard Subject: [A] Moving graphic files between PC & MAC I have transfered many of graphs between PCs and Mac and oddly enoug the only problem I have had was transfering images from a old PC scanner. The files did not open or was garbled. I tried a lot of formats and bit depth combinations but they did not open or was FUBAR. I solved it by of using the image filer produced by the scanner and opened that file in an image program on the PC and saved the file again from that application in a nice compact format like JPG or GIF I never had any problem with these. My guess is that the scanner software made an error that the macintosh application is more sensitive than the PC in my case. Even saving in the same format solved the problem! Thomas H Eberhard Clinical Microbiology VOX 08-5177 49 72 Karolinska Hospital FAX 08-5177 58 50 S 171 76 Stockholm E-M thomas@mb.ks.se --------------------------------------------------------------------- "The higher we soar the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:35:18 -0800 From: mark hurty Subject: [Q] Moving graphic files between PC & MAC > Hi, > > I'm new to Mac's so please bear with me. I recently > scanned an image using a PC and I wish to use the image > in Illustrator on the Mac. I saved the image in > numerous formats (TIF, PCX, JPG, BMP, EPS etc) using > both the scanning software and Paint Shop Pro on the > PC. These were then copied to the Mac using PC floppy > disk. However, when I try and read them in using > Illustrator, I either get an error saying format not > recognised or an error during decompression, etc. I'm > sure Illustrator has the plug-ins to this as it filters > for the graphics files it knows. I have also tried > QuarkXpress and Photoshop V5 (?) and MacDraw and I > think one of the file formats load with out an error > but it was just garbage. > > When I copy the files across to the H/D they always > come up as PC EXCHANGE. Also I sometime get the error > cannot find the application PC EXCHANGE (I think). This > is present and enabled on the control panel. Do I need > to do something with Apple Exchange application to > convert the files ? > > I know the formats are standard as an image created and > saved on the Mac loads straight up on the PC with no > problems. What am I doing wrong ? > > Thanks in advance > > Sean > > P.S. Mac is Centris 650 with 20Mb RAM running OS V7.6.1 > Illustrator is a vector based, drawing program. Scanned images are bitmaps. Regardless of how you save them, they need to be converted to vector images to be "opened" in Illustrator. You can import a pict file (a bitmap format) into Illustrator, but it isn't editable, it can be a template for tracing or a background image. You can open scanned files easily in Photoshop. It will recognize just about any graphic format. Open it from within Photoshop by using the "file/open" command. When you first copy the file over from the PC floppy, it has the generic "PC" file type because it has no Macintosh resource fork, or because you've not edited the file type conversion table that maps PC extensions (.xxx) to a particular Macintosh application. Double clicking will prouduce the error you describe with the result "cannot find the application." mark hurty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:40:30 -0500 From: Jonathan Shaw Subject: Audio CDs on AppleVision 750av >Anyway, I have at least 3 volume controls that I can find: the Monitors >and Sound control panel, the volume control in the AppleAudio CD Player, >and the button on my monitor itself. Can someone help me figure out when >to use which control, and perhaps how to coordinate the volume of sound? >Thanks so much for your help. First, use the Audio CD Player program to set the CD audio level to the highest it will allow you to select (slide the slider all the way up). Have it start playing your favorite audio CD. Occasionally, I find that some program has changed the audio cd volume. I'm guessing it is some game doing this, but at any rate, you may have to check the volume every once in a while to see if it remains at the loudest level. Now, use the Monitors and Sound control panel's "Sound" subsection to adjust the "Computer System Volume" to a comfortable level for your collection of audio CD's. The button on your monitor itself also controls the system volume. Both controls are changing the same parameter in the computer, so use whichever you prefer to use. You may also have a control strip module that allows you to change the volume from the gray control strip floating on your screen. Again, it affects the system volume in the same way as the other two methods. This is very convenient for those of us who do not have external speakers or a button on our monitors like you have! :) Finally, in the Monitors and Sound control panel, look in the "Alerts" subsection. Lower the "System Alert Volume" to an appropriate level (one which won't make the guys in the orange outfits jump out of their handcuffs!). This volume slider tells the computer to play the alert sound at the set percentage of the overall system volume. In other words, if your computer system volume slider is set at the halfway point, and your system alert volume is also set at the halfway point, then the alert sounds will play at 25% of their loudest possible volume. I usually keep the alert sounds just high enough to notice them--which, for my setup, means keeping the slider almost to the quietest position. >Oh, I'm running System 8.0 (haven't upgraded yet), with QuickTime 2.5, >and AppleCD Audio Player v2.2. The directions remain the same in System 8.1. In fact, I believe setting the alert volume quieter than the overall volume is possible with any Mac running Sound Manager 3.0 or above (through the non-unified Sound control panel)... I can't remember for sure, though. >Kim Bohannon -Jonathan {;-) Visit for a good laugh. There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen and those who wonder what happened. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: Al Bloom Subject: Coax from 10baseT ethernet on a G3 (A) On Tue, 24 Mar, Stewart Smith wrote >I have just bought a Power Macintosh G3. I am wondering if it is >possible to link up to a coaxial cable ethernet network I was *this* close to saying "Of course you can. Modern Macs have both 10baseT and AAUI (Friendlynet) ethernet ports. Get an AAUI-to- 10base2 (thin-net, coax) adaptor from one of the usual mail order suspects for about 40 bucks." Wrong. I just checked the G3 specs. No AAUI port. You can sure tell that Steve (I know what's good for you) Jobs is back. The only approved ethernet is of the 10baseT persuasion. Looks like one must buy a PCI card and eat up a slot for 10base2. That'd cost maybe half again as much as an external adaptor (Dayna's is $60 at Macwarehouse). I'm sort of glad our last machine upgrade was to a mere 604e machine. We didn't have the extra $100 (net) expense of chucking a perfectly good 10base2 dongle and buying an internal card. Al Bloom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:35:20 +0000 From: Jack Campin Subject: converting MS Word documents to PC character sets The word processor I normally use for big jobs is MS Word 4. I've done a large book in it, and would like to hand the thing to some readers with Gates machines. I've only used a few characters beyond the ASCII set, mainly smart quotes, but they don't come out right when my readers look at the RTF I've generated. Is there a freeware utility to convert these into whatever the Gates equivalents are? [note for email replies: reverse the order of the letters in the userid part of my address] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:17:31 -0500 From: "Raymond E. Griffith" Subject: Cross Platform Word Processors Subject: Cross-Platform Word Processors? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:14:00 -0600 From: Ted Logan >I've taken on a new client who has no Macintosh capability but to whom >I need to send document files I have created *and formatted* that he >can print out of his Windows-based PC. He's in a university, so I >assume he has access to all the standard Windows wordprocessing >software. Myself, I use ClarisWorks for the Mac but figure I gotta >get something else that runs in both Macintosh and Windows and can >exchange files readily. >All recommendations gratefully received. >Ted Logan >Logan Writing, Inc. >tedlogan@busprod.com Hi Ted, Microsoft Word is about the best cross platform word processor there is. The only problem is that fonts do not behave the same way on PCs and Macs. This means that formatting will be a problem at times. Be sure to use a font for which both Mac and PC versions exist. There will still be differences, but you may be able to compensate. Hope this helps, Raymond E. Griffith rgriffit@vnet.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:23:00 +0000 From: bg4gls@loop.com Subject: Fax Software I have a Supra Express 288 modem which I use with the FAXcillitate software that came with it. I like faxing from my computer but I HATE THIS SOFTWARE! It works, but is very clumsy in its design and not logical in its layout. I use it only because it is slightly better than the FAXstf software which I previously used. Is anyone in Info-Macland using fax software that they like? I'd be pleased to hear about it. (I'm using a 68K Mac with System 7.5.2) Bob Galbreath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:25:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Marian C. Poczobutt" Subject: G3 Minitowers and Zip Drives Hello All, The reseller configurations of the high end G3 minitowers (266 and now 300 mhz with the Ultra/Wide SCSI drives, 128mb RAM and graphic accelerator board) do not include an internal Zip drive. Someone mentioned that you couldn't put one in because of the Utra/Wide setup - either because of space limitations or some hardware conflict. The Apple online store allows adding a Zip drive in a custom configuration, but I don't know whether it's smart enough to disallow impossible configurations. So, does anyone know if you can add an internal zip drive to this setup? For that matter, can any users of these high end machines offer any comments or advice on them? Thanks. Marian Poczobutt mcpoczob@mailbox.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:42:13 EST From: NCICCHECK Subject: Insignia Tech nonsupport Has anyoristmne else had problems with Insignia's tech suport? Since Christmas I've been trying to get them to resolve a problem with their SoftWindows 3.0. It can't access the CD-Rom drive in my Powerbook 1400. I've sent them many E-mails and have received about 10 replies. 4 requesting my serial # 2 requesting my full serial #, not the 1used by the program during startup. 1 advising that the problem was too involved to answer by e-mail and that I should fill out an online questionaire 1 advising me to use an older version of the Apple CD-Rom extension 2 asking me to restate the problem. All this after I gave them the problem, CD drive info, System info, and test results using an older external CD drive that worked with SoftWindows but not with the Apple System software. Their answer also stated that the don't have a Powerbook 1400 to test on so they were at a loss to explain the problem. Does anybody know if Connectix's version of the Windoze emulator works on a powerbook? Obvoiusly Insignia's emulators don't. Even revues in one of the Mac Magazines had problems with insignia's products on a Pb 3400. thanks John McGibney NCICCHECK@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:13:34 -0500 From: rweeks@mail.clark.net (Robert Weeks) Subject: internal web serving >Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:02:44 -0500 >To:guy shaviv >From:rweeks@pop3.clark.net (Robert Weeks) >Subject:internal web serving > >Plug an apple talk connector into the printer port and select apple talk >with the chooser. >Set the TCP/IP control panel to use appletalk vs PPP. >Put your own IP address in the list of avalliable addresses and >go to >http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx >your degault page will come up! >and all the cgi stuff will work as well. >I use that method with a 145 PB to demonstrate CGI's and perl scripts, but >most people think that ai am using local access. I don't thilnk this will >work with a PC. I don't know if you could get that to work by plugging an ether net transceiver bos int the back of the mac, but the appletalk connector does just fine in coupling the send and the receive data. >Bob weeks > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:57:31 -0500 From: "Z. A. Punjani" Subject: list problem At 8:28 PM -0500 3/23/98, Gilles Boulay wrote: >I am having a problem whenviewing the contents of a folder using the "as >list" option. >The list appears in alphabetical order as it should. However, instead of >displaying from A to Z the list is shown from Z to A. >Can any one help. Thankyou >GSB Assuming you're using MacOS 8.1, you can simply click on the little icon just on top of the right scroll bar. Zafar A. Punjani Please send mail to: zafar@itw.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:42:46 -0500 From: Jonathan Shaw Subject: list problem >I am having a problem whenviewing the contents of a folder using the "as >list" option. >The list appears in alphabetical order as it should. However, instead of >displaying from A to Z the list is shown from Z to A. >Can any one help. Thankyou While you are in the "as list" view on a particular folder, check to be sure that the triangle towards the upper right end of the window (between the scroll area and the window title) is pointing upwards. If it is pointing downwards, then click it one time. This will reverse the sort back to normal. >GSB -Jonathan {;-) Visit for a good laugh. There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen and those who wonder what happened. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:43:04 -0800 From: Douglas Anderson Subject: Missing Icons Hello, my fellow Mac Knights ;-) I find that when I Rebuild my DeskTop that I have a few Programs that lose their Icons. Is their a way to get their Icons back without reloading the program on my Hard Drive? I have checked to see if their (hasBeenInited, hasBundle) were checked and they are checked. Thanks for all and any Ideas! Doug. Sincerely, Doug Anderson email:un162@victoria.tc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:09:27 +0000 From: bg4gls@loop.com Subject: Missing(??) floating point coprocessor I use a drawing/illustration program called Canvas from Deneba Software. It is a great program that I have been with since v1.0. I have been using v3.5.4 for a couple of years on my Mac IIci (20meg memory, Sys 7.5.2). Recently I have started getting "bomb" placards which say: "Canvas 3.5.4" floating point coprocessor not installed. Continue / Restart Clicking either Continue or Restart is ineffectual. The bombs do not result from any predictable series of operations or the use of any specific file. Tech Tools says my floating point coprocessor IS installed. Deneba Tech support (a very well-run outfit) says they have not heard of this before. Anybody have any ideas? Bob Galbreath ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:01:47 +0000 From: Jane Ann Tun Subject: Q. - re missing printer desktop icon Today I bought the Mac Color StyleWriter 4500 and connected it to my Power Mac 8500 with 48 mg of RAM. It prints out text beautifully but much too slowly. Much slower than advertised. I "think" if I increase the available RAM it would work faster BUT no printer icon appeared on the desktop and I understand I need to click that icon and then go to Get Info under the File menu in order to increase the RAM. Is that correct? Can anyone tell me how to find that icon and how to place it on the desktop? I would appreciate a private email answer, though it might be a good idea to post it here also. Many thanks for any help you can provide. Jane jatun@synapse.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:51:47 -0400 From: Moshe Sadofsky Subject: Q: Where do libraries go? Installed Netscape 4.01, and find various library files and what appear to be system extensions in the Netscape folder or subfolders. Do these do any good there or should they be relocated to the system folder? Java, spell check extension and other library files are in various places. Any insight welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:49:19 -0600 (CST) From: "David D. Brand (901) 577-7282" Subject: Responses to: Problems with Sound-In source for PM8100 Last week I placed this submission to the digest: I have a colleague with an 8100 who is running system 8.1. Ever since System 7.6 he has had difficulty with the CD player's functionality. Although all other functions of his machine seem to work well, whenever he wants to listen to some music on CD, he must go to his Monitors & Sounds (v 1.3.2) control panel and re-instruct the OS to recognize the CD player as a source for sound. Here are the responses I got: ---- I have been having similar problems oon my PM 6500/225. Under MacOs 8.1, there is a new CSM called SoundSource Strip that does just what you're looking for. It will toggle between the Sound In port and the CD player. **** Have you replaced the battery? **** The answer is that the 8100 is known to suffer from this problem. The solution is to use the older "Sound" control panel to set CD playthrough. This setting will then be remembered. You can copy the Sound control panel from an older system folder, or I believe it's installed in the "Apple Extras" folder of OS8. It does not have to be placed in the Control Panels folder, and it can co-exist with Monitors and Sound. I have mine (along with Monitors) in the Apple Menu of my 8100. ---- Thanks to everyone who took the time to make thoughtful responses that helped to solve the problem! David Brand dbrand@utmem1.utmem.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:50:30 +0100 (MET) From: Ansgar Esztermann Subject: Screen Shots Hello, I remember reading about a screen shot utility that did not copy the screen contents as a bitmap but rather recorded the QuickDraw calls issued to build e.g. a window. Thus, it was supposed to provide a vector pict file. However, that was quite some time ago, and I do not know the name of that utility any more. Is there anybody who knows about such a program and where to find it? Ansgar Esztermann eszterm@uni-duesseldorf.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:52:23 -0500 From: "Quattlebaum.Bill" Subject: System 8.1 and zoom rectangles Does anyone know where to make the Resedit patches or know of a shareware application to DISABLE the Finder's animated Zoom Rectangles that directory windows draw? Lovely animation but it does eat up lots of CPU cycles that I can better use elsewhere. thanks, qb quattleb@niehs.nih.gov ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:50:25 -0500 From: "Quattlebaum.Bill" Subject: System 8.1, G3 + Apple RAM Disk I have used System 8.1 and the Memory control panel's RAM Disk on a PM 7500 for many months and have never had the following problem. I have just switched to a G3 mini tower. Each time I RESTART the G3 I am warned that this will cause all files on the RAM disk to go away. So I copy everything to the HD, restart and have to move it back out there. This was not needed on my older PowerMac. Does anyone know of this feature or a work around? Does anyone have a recommended free or shareware replacement that maintains the RAM disk persistence? Thanks, qb quattleb@niehs.nih.gov ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 1998 09:00:05 U From: "Bohannon, Kim" Subject: Videophones on the Mac Hello Info-Mac people, My brother will be moving to Cupertino soon (congrats Kerry!) and I want = to set up a way to do videophone-like communication with him. Forgive me = if I am mis-using the terminology here. Is this possible with today's = technology? If we both have Macs and digital cameras, can we send both = picture and sound across the web and have real-time communication? Thanks = for your advice. Kim Bohannon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:55:11 -0500 From: John Rethorst Subject: WordPerfect 3.5e updater >You recently posted information about a patch to Corel WordPerfect 3.5, called >WordPerfect 3.5e Updater. The patch was in the form of a VISE file, made by >software from a company called MIndVision. I double clicked on the patch >file, and got a message to the effect that "The default location for this >install could not be found. This install will be cancelled." > The patch will update version 3.5e - not 3.5.4 and earlier. If you have 3.5e, and the updater doesn't run, have you changed the name of the program in the Finder? It should be "WordPerfect" or "Corel WordPerfect". In any case, it's best to do a clean install of 3.5e from the CD, and then update it. If you have 3.5 (not with the "e"), the upgrade to 3.5e is on a CD, about $25. John Rethorst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:54:40 +0000 From: Jeff Frankel Subject: WordPerfect v3.5e updater patch On March 23, Michael Luskin wrote: >So, does anyone know how to apply the WordPerfect 3.5e Updater patch to >Corel >WordPerfect 3.5? I believe, Michael, that the updater patch is only for WordPerfect 3.5 *enhanced.* The enhanced version of WordPerfect 3.5, known as v3.5e, is being only half-heartedly marketed by Corel, from what I can tell, and is available from Corel directly for about $30 plus shipping as an update to v 3.5. I received the same =93Cannot Find Default Location=94 when trying to run the patch on a machine with the unenhanced version of v3.5 on it. (I wanted to read the Read Me file.) On a machine with v3.5e present, the installer, well, installed. -- Jeff Frankel Windsor, Maine USA -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************