Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Fri, 13 Mar 98 Volume 16 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: [A] Downloading text from web [A] Midi-troubles [A] SE/30 value [Q] "About This Macintosh" problem. [Q] 80K Modem Transfer Speed? [Q] Iomega vs SyQuest [Q] RAM doubler problem article/question Error -41 on boot (sys 8.1 on PM6100) help - local school Netscape and Java freezes PCee to Mac connection value of old SE The Info-Mac Network is a volunteer organization that publishes the Info-Mac Digest and operates the Info-Mac Archive, a large network of FTP sites containing gigabytes of freely distributable Macintosh software. For more information, visit the Info-Mac Web site at . 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We'd also like to thank AOL for the main Info-Mac machine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Info-Mac Digest V16 #59" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:59:27 +0000 From: Richard Platt Subject: [A] Downloading text from web In an earlier digest Michael Rank asked this: >When I download a long text document from the Web onto my hard disc and >then open it in Clarisworks 2.1, it appears with lots of semi-blank lines >which makes it hard to read (both for myself and anyone I email the >document to), ie it has line feeds in all the wrong places. Is there any >simple way of cleaning up such documents? and Daitaro Hagihara replied >May I suggest telneting to a nearby Lynx server and then email the web page >to yourself or friends. This and other replies struck me as an amazingly longwinded and difficult. It's relatively easy to get rid of unwanted carriage returns (CRs) using Applescipt. Once you've grabbed the text you want to copy and put it into a variable (here NetscapeSelection) you can massage it like this: repeat while NetscapeSelection contains " " set foundOffset to offset of " " in NetscapeSelection if foundOffset is the length of NetscapeSelection then set NetscapeSelection to text 1 thru -2 of NetscapeSelection exit repeat -- Bail out of repeat loop if we reach EOF end if if foundOffset is less than 2 then -- selection starts with a CR, so delete it set NetscapeSelection to text 2 thru end of NetscapeSelection else set Stringstart to text 1 thru (foundOffset - 1) of NetscapeSelection set StringEnd to text (foundOffset + 1) thru -1 of NetscapeSelection set NetscapeSelection to Stringstart & " " & StringEnd -- replace CR with space end if end repeat The rest of the script would paste NetscapeSelection into another application. I'm not sure if ClarisWorks is scriptable, but this doesn't really matter. I use MS Word 5.1 which isn't scriptable, so I use PreFab Player to control Word (and any other apps that are not Applescript compatible). Player is not free, but I know of at least one shareware OSAX (Scripting addition) that might do the job for nothing. Richard Platt Telephone: (44) 1892 890741 Fax: (44) 1892 890951 The Old Squash Court, Bayham Abbey, Lamberhurst, Kent, United Kingdom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 11:19:21 -0000 From: Jan Bjorn Taranrod Subject: [A] Midi-troubles Fred at Astrolabe wrote this to Info-mac Digest: >i need some help with midi manager. ive installed apple midi manager into >my extensions folder, but what folder do i place the Apple Midi Driver and >my Korg Driver....i cant seem to get it o work. it worked up untill i had >a hard drive crash and reinstalled the system softwear. About installing/reinstalling Apple Midi Manager My general advice is: Turn off Apple Talk in the Chooser, restart, and you should be back in The Music Business! 1. First: I have no experience with Mac OS8 2. Second: Consider Open Music System or FreeMidi as an alternative to Apple Midi Manager if compability seems to be the problem. 3. But if you will stick to the old Midi mangager- do this: 3.1: Just drop your Drivers on the System Folder icon - and they will land on their proper place(s) - some in the System Folder itself. The Midi Manager is an INIT and will go to the Extensions Folder. Use Patch Bay - an application from Apple - to configure the proper port and the MIDI setup. 3.2: My guess is that your modem is hooked on the serial port, and your Korg on the other - Apple Talk-port. Apple Talk is blocking other traffic on this port, and is turned on as a "default" choice by all MacOS software installers I have seen. MacOS8 is probably not an exception. 3.3: If you are hooked op the the Serial port: My guess again: This port is also busy - or the computer thinks it is - e.g. in use by fax software, or other modem-based software (Caller ID/Answering). Turn off fax recieving when your playing. You can relsease a serial port by zapping the PRAM. It involves setting the Mac TIME afterwards!) Zapping PRAM activates AppleTalk. You have to choose between solution 3.2 or 3.3. One at a time! Rather than Zapping PRAM, use the freeware control panel - MIDI Mangler - by Nigel Redmond. It frees up the ports there and then. Yours, Jan Bjorn Taranrod, Norway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:02:02 -0800 From: Sailen Black Subject: [A] SE/30 value >From: Marsha Clark > >I donated my MAC SE 30 8MB RAM 40MB hard drive to our local school >district. I need to know an approximate price so I can write it off on my >taxes. >Could you help if not would you know where I could go to get the answer? Oh good, an easy question. I haven't contributed in a while, so here goes: 1. Go to a pricing service like United Computer Exchange - http://www.uce.com/ . Or, check the back pages of MacWorld for used SE/30's. For example, UCE says an SE/30 5/40 is worth US$125. They also offer a more detailed assessment using proprietary software. 2. Then, take this information to the school district so they can provide a tax receipt for your SE/30's fair market value. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:40:37 +0100 From: mnolet@faille.unice.fr (Who's Mike?) Subject: [Q] "About This Macintosh" problem. Hello Macophiles, In the last few days my labtop has been doing some very strange behavior. Here's what it does: A few days ago, having problems with my CD-ROM drive, I removed all extensions and control panels except those relevant to the drive. After having this not fix my drive (being a hardware problem) I put the extensions the EXACT same way they were as before. BUT, since I have done this, whenever I select "About This Macintosh" from the Apple menu the little bar which shows how much of the memory allocated to a program is actually being used for the "System Software" is NEGATIVE! It's going the wrong way! (And annoyingly enough covering up the figures for the amount of memory the Finder is using) So then, I checked the Ram Doubler 2 control panel. No problems there, except that Ram Doubler is claiming that the System is taking up 8 MB of RAM which is rediculous, it never took up that much, before it took up about 3 MB. Then Ram Doubler claims it's reclaiming 6 MB of this RAM used by the System Software. No problemmo restarting with "Extensions Off" so I suspect it's an extension conflict... Systems specifics: Powerbook 180/33mhz, 14MB RAM, 110MB HD, Ram & Speed Doubler 2, Kaleidoscope 1.8.1, Grey Scale monitor. Any ideas?? Another weird behavior is that whenever the "Largest Unused Block" is between two figures (i.e. blinks between 24,590K and 24,589K) whenever it changes the number is highlighted in white. Could this be a problem with Kaleidoscope?? Or Ram Doubler?? Both?? TIA, Mike p.s. Although this problem isn't drastic it's annoying, I would appreciate any suggestions. p.p.s. Please post responses to the digest as well as to me personally at: mike_nolet@walnut.prs.k12.nj.us (mnolet@faille.unice.fr will be going down for the next few days so I might be difficult to reach) Merci Beaucoup! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:41:08 -0800 From: Alan Akins Subject: [Q] 80K Modem Transfer Speed? I connected up to my company's Win95/PPP (no flames, please) SecurID server both yesterday and today and decided to connect to an ftp server I manage and download a couple bitmap files. What I was extremely surprised at was the transfer rate. My modem is a USR/3Com V.Everything. The modems on the corporate side are not a 57.6K of any flavor. 28.8 maybe 33.6K max. I also know that I do not get an x2 connection because the tones are very different. What transfer rate am I seeing? Well it starts out at 10,000+ bytes/sec according to Fetch. I have a screen shot. By the time the file is finished, the rate has dropped to something close to 6,000 bytes/sec. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't 10K *bytes*/s the same as 80K *bits*/sec? If so, how on earth am I seeing this transfer speed? Even with an x2 connection at max speed this would be unheard of. Right? The 2.2MB file transfered in under 4 minutes. If I assume a 2MB file in 4 minutes (that's being generous), that would be 1MB every 2 minutes or 500K every 1 minute, or 8.3K every second. And we're still talking bytes here, not bits. Multiply by 8 to get bps and that's 66.67Kbps! I don't know how this is possible?! My company doesn't have x2 modems, as far as I can tell, at least. I don't hear the standard x2 tones while the modem is connecting, as I get a response of a standard 28.8K connection. How can these modems possibly be transferring at this rate? 10K/s * 8 = 80K bps! Any ideas, anyone? Is my math wrong? Remember that the 2.2MB file did take just under 4 minutes to transfer. Thanks for any thoughts! #:^) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:47:16 -0800 From: esther.r.michaels@usa.net (Esther Michaels) Subject: [Q] Iomega vs SyQuest Thanks to all those who responded to my query; I'm just about overwhelmed by the sheer number of replies, so please accept my thanks as a group! In case anyone is wondering, the advice was approximately evenly split between the two companies! I don't know what this signifies, apart from perhaps the general flakiness of removable HD technology. One person suggested using CD-R or CD-RW, or perhaps even waiting for DVD. This is an option that I'll seriously consider; knowing now that a better removable-HD company doesn't exist, I may well switch technologies altogether. Thanks once again, everyone who kindly replied to my query. Esther Michaels esther.r.michaels@usa.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:25:46 +0000 From: Nigel Bevan Subject: [Q] RAM doubler problem Is anyone having problems with RAM doubler and OS 8/8.1? With RAM Doubler 2.0.2 and OS 8.1 I get frequent hard or soft freezes on a docked Duo 2300 with 20Mb physical RAM. I now also attribute random freezes in OS 8 to RAM Doubler. The freezes occur with a clean install of OS 8 followed by OS 8.1, and a reinstall of RAM Doubler and the update to 2.0.2. The freezes have been replicated after restoring the same system software to another Duo 2300 on a different Duo dock. The freezes do not occur: 1. When using the Duo 2300 undocked, with RAM Doubler 2.0.2 2. When using the Duo 2300 docked, with virtual memory rather than RAM Doubler. They reappear on the docked Duo as soon as RAM Doubler is enabled. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks .. Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:06:38 -0500 From: Robert Golding Subject: article/question Hello, I have a question several other Mac users also have in my area that might be worth posting to your boards. Many Windows users I know of have internet chat capabilities I wish to have. They can do IRC, internet instant messages, know when friends are online, and get into chat rooms. How can this be done on the Mac? What are the software sources needed to accomplish this? Do you have to link to special servers? What info would need to be filled out for such programs? Please let me know if this message is posted or answer me directly. Sincerely, Robert Golding ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:32:51 -0500 From: Matthew Mitchell Subject: Error -41 on boot (sys 8.1 on PM6100) >I updated to system 8.1 a few weeks ago, then last week, it started to >crash >(error -41) on booting. Same crash even if I start with extensions >off. Thanks to all who replied. Reinstalling the Finder fixed the problem (the crash was at the time the Finder loads). I dragged in a new Finder from the 8.0 CD, then applied the 8.1 installer to patch it. Seems to have worked OK. Anyone know why my Finder Preferences don't seem to get remembered from boot to boot? I've checked the file to ensure it's not locked, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:24:31 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Alaimo" Subject: help - local school >Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:51:54 +0100 >From: "Gravitt, Robert" >Subject: help > >Hi guys- > > I have a problem. A local school needs our help. They have a >localtalk network and an ethertalk network, and want to provide >internet access to all of the computers. They have one single >analog dial-up connection, and need some way to share it among >the computers on the network. We need to think low-cost. Are we >talking a router, or is there a software solution. Any and all >scenarios will be appreciated. Remember, our ability to solve this >problem (and cheaply) will allow us to keep macs in two different >middle schools. > > Regards, > > Brooke Gravitt > Configuration Management Version Control Administrator > LHS Communications Systems, Inc. > rgravitt@us.lhsgroup.com A friend of mine had a similar problem and solved it by installing a linux emulator on all of the Macsone server and the rest (exactly 7) slave terminals, since they will only be accessing Internet apps (or will they?). He had only one analog dial-up connection to a local ISP. The ISP would only allow one computer with that account configuration to log-on at any one particular time. With linux running, he somehow fooled the ISP into only seeing one computer, while actually running 7 off of the one dial-up connection, all at the same time. I'm not a programmer, so I don't know exactly what he did. Just passing on some info. Hope it's useful!! Jeffrey Alaimo Physics Teacher Pocono Mountain High School ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 98 21:38:43 -0400 From: Jody Schraden Subject: Netscape and Java freezes Hello, I recently upgraded to MacOS 8.1 and Netscape Communicator 4.0.4. I am having problems with Netscape loading Java. When I access a page that has a Java applet, the status bar at the bottom of Netscape says it is loading Java, then displays that it is done loading Java. This is where it freezes. My previous configuration of MacOS 8.0 and Netscape 3.04 worked great. Searching Netscape's support page provides no useful info on this problem. Does anyone know anything about this problem? Thanks, Jody Schraden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:28:09 +0800 From: robert@im.mgt.ncu.edu.tw ("Robert E. Front") Subject: PCee to Mac connection Wodering if I can connect my Power Mac 7500 to my girl friend's Twinhead PC notebook and if and how to directly print files from her PC to my Laser Writer Select 360. Is any of this possible or am dreaming? Can reply direct to my email address. r o b e r t ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:10:10 -0800 From: Kathy Brunetti Subject: value of old SE MacUser used to print a list of current values. I rummaged all over the Macworld site & couldn't find it. I finally found a reference to Amercian Computer Exchange. But they don't list your computer. Planet Mac at www.planetmac.com claims to sell "just about every Mac ever made". I have visited their showroom and, sure enough, they have everything from an old, original Mac (with the add-on fan, remember?) all the way up to a G3. They list an SE 30 with a 160 M HD at $250. Poweron has the same system listed at $199. They have a 40 MB HD for $25. Both outfits have 80-0 numbers you could call. *************** Kathy Brunetti -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************