Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #316 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Thu, 24 Jun 99 Volume 16 : Issue 316 Today's Topics: [*] TidBITS#486/21-Jun-99 (Q) Alternatives for At Ease 3.x? [A] Calendar software [A] Calendar software [A] Help! Desktop rebuilds (improperly) on each start up [A] ICQ [A] PB G3 and GSM phones [A] PB G3 and GSM phones Advice needed: video capture for a PowerTowerPro? Back-ups and Zip disks BBEdit Browser window - the great secret of BBEdit 4.0. Calendar software connecting small network to the internet DVD/Screen Capture Fax Problem HELP! Need copy of SuperBackup software! How do I fix the disk's extents tree? ICQ NFS-Client for Mac where to buy? Q: How to burn bootable Cd? Quicktime Pro Reading PC CDs, another problem Remote Access, FreePPP, and ISPs Satelite and cable modem using ethernet The Info-Mac Network is a volunteer organization that publishes the Info-Mac Digest and operates the Info-Mac Archive, a large network of FTP sites containing gigabytes of freely distributable Macintosh software. Email Addresses and Instructions: * To submit articles to the digest, email . * To subscribe, send email to with subscribe in the Subject line. * To unsubscribe, send email to with unsubscribe in the Subject line. * To change your address, unsubscribe from the old address, then subscribe from the new address. If that fails, try using the list maintenance form at before contacting us. * Please send administrative queries to . * To submit files for the archive, email the binhexed file with a description to . Submissions must be made by the author or with permission of the author. 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We'd also like to thank AOL for the main Info-Mac machine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Info-Mac Digest V16 #316" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:00:00 -0700 From: TidBITS Editors Subject: [*] TidBITS#486/21-Jun-99 TidBITS#486/21-Jun-99 Dealing with a dead disk? Data recovery expert John Christopher reviews= Alsoft's DiskWarrior, which offers unique recovery techniques. Also, Matt= Neuburg reviews RichLink, an authoring environment and browser plug-in for= creating pop-up hypertext links on Web pages. In the news, Netscape= releases Communicator 4.61, and Apple releases the ATI Video Software= Update 1.0. Finally, TidBITS is on vacation next week; we return 05-Jul-99.= =20 Topics: MailBITS/21-Jun-99 Fighting Corruption with Alsoft's DiskWarrior RichLink Reaches for Hypertext Riches [Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-486.etx; 29K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:54:55 -0700 From: Mark Allen Subject: (Q) Alternatives for At Ease 3.x? I've been using At Ease 3.x on my home computer to control which applications each of my sons can launch and which document folders they can access. Apple has put out a notice that there are security holes in At Ease 3.x under OS 8.5.1 (and presumable 8.6). Does anyone know whether At Ease for Workgroups is still fully supported under the current versions of the Mac OS? Does it provide the functionality I need? Can anyone recommend other applications that provide the access controls I need for my home Mac? Thanks for whatever assistance can be provided. Mark Allen ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 99 06:50:05 -0400 From: "D. Scott Beach" Subject: [A] Calendar software Nigel Bevan asks: >We are looking for calendar software to run across Macs and PCs. > >We currently use Now Up-to-Date on the Macs, and although we have a PC >version we never found out how to share the calendar information, and the >PC version is nolonger supported. > >Chronos's Consultant would have been a good choice, but apparently there >are no plans to produce a version for the PC. > >Does anyone know of any other solutions? Nigel: I suggest a FileMaker Pro solution. There are a number of shareware datebook/daytimer type solutions available and FM Pro is available for both platforms so the only question left is how shareable these are. I haven't checked on that but every other FM Pro database can be shared so I expect they can too. There may be some leads through http://www.iso-ezine.com/index.php . - Scott Remove the "spamless" to return eMail to me. Scott Beach Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:20:24 +0200 From: bromo@flashnet.it (Vittorio Barabino) Subject: [A] Calendar software > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 99 11:56:09 -0700 > From: "B. J. Major" > In reply to: > > >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:26:27 +0100 > >From: Nigel Bevan > >We currently use Now Up-to-Date on the Macs, and although we have a PC > >version we never found out how to share the calendar information, and the > >PC version is nolonger supported. > > > >Does anyone know of any other solutions? > > Yes. The Palm Desktop software, version 2.1, available for free via > download from Palm's website. You don't even have to own a Palm Pilot to > take advantage of using the software on the Mac side. There are both PC > and Mac versions of the Desktop. I've never "shared" the calendar info > between Mac and PC, but there is an export feature in the Mac Palm > Desktop that may just do what you need. I agree that Palm Desktop 2 (formerly Claris Organizer) is very very good and free, BUT: 1) it's definitely single-user. No way to share it across Mac and PC via LAN. No way even to use it across 2 Mac via LAN. 2) You can't share its files with a PC: its file format is the Claris Organizer's one. I don't know of a CO for PC (I may be wrong). 3) A quite good product, both group oriented and multi-platform (but born on the Mac) is "TeamAgenda" -> http://www.teamsoft.com 4) Another lan-aware multiplatform PIM is "SuperOffice" http://www.superoffice.com but the Mac version a just-enough port of the PC version. -- Ciao, \+----------+ "La risposta e` dentro di te... Vittorio --| : ) o | ...MA E` SBAGLIATA!!!" /+----------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Votate per creare il gruppo it.comp.os.macintosh.hardware | | CFV: it.news.annunci --> e` un post del 12 maggio | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:17:51 +0100 From: Ian Goldby Subject: [A] Help! Desktop rebuilds (improperly) on each start up >Sys 8.1, PowerBook G3 (Wallstreet). Every time I boot up, the desktop >gets rebuilt, on its own, no user intervention. But it's rebuilt >incorrectly. The icons all look OK (not generic) but files are no longer >associated with their applications; click on a file and nothing happens, >click on an alias and the "...application that created it could not be >found" error pops up. Amazingly (to me anyway), when I start up with >extensions off (Shift key down), the desktop does not rebuild and files >are now associated with their applications. >Howard Fried I had a similar problem recently with System 7.5.3 - The desktop rebuilt everytime I rebooted, but froze the machine before rebuilding finished. Starting with extensions off prevents the desktop rebuild. One of my desktop files was damaged and the Finder could not repair it. I tried using TechTool to delete the old desktop files. In my case, it failed, but it may work for you, and it's easy. If it doesn't work, delete the desktop files by hand. The desktop files are invisible. I have heard that one way to do it is to open Find File, then, holding down the option key, choose visibility is invisible. You can then drag the desktop files it finds into the trash and restart. If, like me, you can't drag the files to the trash, maybe you need to install Apple Script. Your final option is to use a utility like ResEdit to change the file attribute to make the desktop files visible, and then drag them to the trash. This is how I did it. The first time you reboot, the Finder will create new desktop files from scratch, which should now be ok. Anything you previously set for files in the Finder's Get Info window will be lost, i.e. comments and memory allocations. Ian. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:50:41 -0700 From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: [A] ICQ Try MacOrchard for all your freeware/shareware Netware, including your choice of ICQ client. At 6:28 PM -0700 on 6/19/99, Dick Van Dyke wrote... >I have some friends that are urging me to get ICQ do you know of any >that are for the mac. I only found some for the PC. > >Neal Styka ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:50:30 -0700 From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: [A] PB G3 and GSM phones The new G3 P'books are supposed to have an IrDA infrared port that will talk to the new generation of Nokia and Ericsson cellphones that are equipped with IrDA. I don't have any direct experience with this connectivity so can't provide any more info. HTH, DOD At 4:34 AM +0000 on 6/21/99, Glen Hawkins wrote... >I have just brought a new G3/400 Powerbook and would like to connect the >internal modem to my GSM phone (Nokia 6110). I would rather not buy a PCMIA >card as the PB already has a modem internally and not putting a new card in >would be an advantage. Anyone with ideas or experiences with this sort of >set up? > >Cheers Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:27:48 +0100 From: "Charles Arthur, The Independent" Subject: [A] PB G3 and GSM phones On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:34:56 +0000, "Glen Hawkins" wrote: >I have just brought a new G3/400 Powerbook and would like to connect the >internal modem to my GSM phone (Nokia 6110). I would rather not buy a >PCMIA >card as the PB already has a modem internally and not putting a new card in >would be an advantage. Anyone with ideas or experiences with this sort of >set up? I recently got a Nokia 6100 series mobile, which has an infrared port - as I guess yours would. Your PB has an IR port. It should be feasible to get the two to talk to each other, though word is that you''ll only get 9600bps. I have been playing around with mine over the past few hours, and the IR port can see the phone. No luck so far getting the two to talk though. But have a look at http://www.robgalbraith.com/diginews/index.html who has done a piece about hooking up IR phones and PBooks. Scroll down the page for the article. Charles -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Independent newspaper on the Web: http://www.independent.co.uk/ It's even better on paper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:14:43 +0000 From: "K. Taylor" Subject: Advice needed: video capture for a PowerTowerPro? I bought a used digital still camera, a Casio QV-770 with 640/480 resolution) to create photos of items that I'd like to sell on eBay. I had it two days, and it then went belly up. I don't want to buy a new still camera, because the rumor is that they're going to be a LOT cheaper around the first of October. I need something to get me through the summer, though. The kind of photo needed to illustrate a product on eBay will be only 72 dots per inch, but needs to be rather large... maybe 5 or 6 inches wide and 4 or 5 inches high. I don't want to compromise too much on quality, however. I'm using a Power Computing PowerTowerPro 225 with PCS slots available. It currently has an ixMicro Twin Turbo 128M4 card, 8mb VRAM; Resolutions upto 1920x1080. I also have a Turbo TV card, but I think that it is video-out only I have a good motion video camera. It's the Sony TR-101, which is a real workhorse. It's a digital, high-band 8 camera, with S-video in and S-video out. To get by for a few months, is there a relatively inexpensive video capture card available that would allow me to grab an image from the TR-101 motion video camera and bring it in as a high-quality 72 pdi (is that an oxymoron?) image. Could I get the same quality that I get out of the Casio QV-770 still digital camera (640/480 resolution)? Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! - Ken Taylor ktaylor@premier1.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:49:47 -0600 From: Teresa Cole Subject: Back-ups and Zip disks When I used Norton Fastback to try to back up my system onto Zip disks, I repeatedly got the message "This disk is unreliable; insert another." This occurred for both new and old dliks but only those labeled as being from Iomega and not Sony or Fuji disks. Has anyone else had this experience and found a solution? I can't believe that all of my Iomega Zip disks are bad; I've never had any trouble with using them for anything else. Are there better back-up programs around? Thanks for whatever help anyone can give. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Teri Cole coletl@internetoutlet.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:16:42 -0400 From: a brody Subject: BBEdit Browser window - the great secret of BBEdit 4.0. Dear Digest readers, I have had BBEdit 4.0 Pro since it came out. But only today did I discover the Browser window. I saw it when I did multiple file text finds, but didn't know that I could open that window from the Window menu in BBEdit as a New Browser. And boy what a powerful utility. Click on any folder you get a listing of all the files or image files in that folder. Click on a file and it launches the appropriate application to open the document and the document itself. Click on the Goto popup menu, and you get a hierarchical menu of the hard drive from that point where you can navigate to other folders. It is much faster than navigating the hard drive in the Finder, and works just as easily. Sure you don't get file sizes and modified dates, but for quick browsing and working with Finder files it is a godsend. And another discovery today. Drag a file into the Windows window of BBEdit Pro, and it opens. So if you have BBEdit 4.0 Pro, and didn't know about it, check it out. You might be in for a surprise! Sure FinderPop, PopupFolder, Apple Menu Options, and Behierarchic do the same. But this requires no aliasing, and works well in MacOS 8.6. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:14:20 -0700 From: Bruce Johnson Subject: Calendar software > Subject: [Q] Calendar software > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:26:27 +0100 > From: Nigel Bevan > > We are looking for calendar software to run across Macs and PCs. > > We currently use Now Up-to-Date on the Macs, and although we have a PC > version we never found out how to share the calendar information, and the > PC version is nolonger supported. > > Chronos's Consultant would have been a good choice, but apparently there > are no plans to produce a version for the PC. A question just like this came up on the WinMac mailing list recently (if it was you, Nigel, I apologize for duplicating the information) A higher end solution is to get On Technology's Meeting Maker. It's a bit expensive, and wants to run on a server, but the calendars are completely integrated across platforms, they have Newton and Palm clients, and more importantly it works. The server can be hosted either on a Mac or PC and is pretty maintenence free. We're running it on an old 486 (upgraded from a 386 when the 386's motherboard died) and I have to actually do anything with it once every 2 or 3 months or so. This on a box running Win95!!! It's pricey, though, $950 for the basic system and 20 users, $800 for each additional 10 users, with small breaks at 50 and 100 user licenses. A free solution is Netscape Communicator Professional, which includes a calendaring compnent. You can't share calendars live without a fairly pricey server, but it works fine on individual systems as a standalone calendar. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:35:41 -0700 From: David L Hirschberg Subject: connecting small network to the internet I have some friends that have three imacs in their house. I am going to network them together with a small ethernet hub and set up a networked printer and scanner. I had question on how to hook them all to the internet. They all have 56k modems which can only attain 26kbs with the old wiring in the house. THe cost to upgrade the phone feed is steep (they have maxed out their 3 line feed and the feed is underground from the street). So what type of solutions are out there that would allow an internet connection? They looked into getting a 4th phone line so I guess they would be willing to pay about $75 a month for some type of phone solution. Would DSL be an option? They also have TCI cable which I think @home serves. Is there a way that 3 macs could be hooked up to a DSL or Cable internet hookup? Thanks, David hirschberg@stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:18:31 -0400 From: "Peter J. Paul" Subject: DVD/Screen Capture Does anyone know of a way to capture the display from a DVD? Peter J. Paul pjp@cheerful.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:59:16 EDT From: KHartMgr@aol.com Subject: Fax Problem I transmit fax documents from my G3 via =93SmithMicro Software=94 (MacComCen= ter,=20 fax + data communications). All documents are created in FreeHand 8.0 The problem arises on the =93receiving end=94. My fax documents arrive as a=20 =93Lousy Bitmap=94. Anything below 12 points is not readable at all. No assistance from Macromedia or SmithMicro. Everybody blames the problem o= n=20 the Mac, which I think is bologna. I seek desperate help. The faxes are very embarrassing. Thank you very much for any assistance. I buy new fax software if necessary.=20 I would like to keep creating the document in FH. Thank you again - Kevin KHartMgr@AOL.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:05:31 -0600 From: Nyle Elison Subject: HELP! Need copy of SuperBackup software! I am looking for a copy of some old backup software called SuperBackup written by the Baucchi Development Corporation. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Here is what I do know about the software I am after. Or, if you know of something that is compatible with it that will work also. I just need to restore. Thanks again!!! Superbackup version 1.27 (1986) Baucchi Development Corporation Thanks in advance! Nyle Elison nyle_elison@byu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:30:45 +1000 From: Terry Murphy Subject: How do I fix the disk's extents tree? I have run both Norton SpeedDisk and Norton Disk Doctor on my HDD recently and have received the following slightly alarming message. "A part of the disk's extents tree (node #2) was found to contain some invalid information (file number out of order). NDD cannot fix this problem" I'd certainly appreciate any suggestions anyone might have. Thanks in anticipation Terry Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:43:57 -0000 From: rob Subject: ICQ quoting Info-Mac and possibly previous message abstract: > >Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:28:38 -0700 (PDT) >From: Dick Van Dyke Dick Van Dyke yeah! Sure! >Subject: ICQ > > >I have some friends that are urging me to get ICQ do you know of any >that are for the mac. I only found some for the PC. > >Neal Styka http://www.icq.com/download/step-by-step-mac.html http://www.icq.com/mac/help.html This message was sent with Apple email client - Claris eM@iler2.0v3 'The best just keeps being better than the rest' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:49:18 +0200 From: Pierre Visel Subject: NFS-Client for Mac where to buy? please answer per email pvisel@mkv.de Thanks for your help -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Pierre Visel MKV GmbH Gesellschaft fuer Medien-, Kommunikations- und Vernetzungstechnologien Kriegsstr. 77 - 76133 Karlsruhe Tel: 0049-(0)721-83094-20 FAX: 0049-(0)721-83094-99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:15:38 PDT From: rent me Subject: Q: How to burn bootable Cd? I am currently using OS 8.6, LaCie CD-RW 4416S burner, Adaptec Toast 3.8 software. I created a website. I would like to put my System Folder, my website, and latest version of Netscape (4.6.1) on a bootable CD so I can take it around to present to people. Why? Because it's quicker than accessing through the internet, and some people don't have the latest version of Netscape, and some are still using the old OS 7.X. It's nice to have everything I need on a bootable Cd. Could someone please give me instruction on how to burn a bootable CD? I am very new at burning CD so the more specific the more helpful for me. Thank you so much. Phil _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:23:03 -0400 From: gene nail Subject: Quicktime Pro I know someone out there can help me better than Apple. I have apple's QuickTime 4.0 (Pro) and know how to edit tracks out of a particular video. however, even when i edit out most of the existing tracts and save the new movie, the size never changes. is there a way to delete portions of a movie clip and reduce the size of the clip? I went to Apple's Quicktime site and they offer no help at all, not even a manual. thanks, gene nail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:00:18 -0700 From: "Jason Chafin" Subject: Reading PC CDs, another problem I was excited when I read in Digest v16 #307 TOC that a question addressed reading Windoze CDs. However, I have a somewhat different problem. I checked my extensions folder to make sure that all three File Access extensions were "turned on", so I'm wondering where to go next. Here's the gist: I live in a house where there's a recordable/rewritable CD drive hooked to a Win98 machine. There's a piece of software included that allows a person to format a CD as you would a disk or hard drive and just copy files to it. I have a lot of photographs that I've saved to my Mac hard disk or to Zip and decided that, since they were just files, I could transfer them to the Win machine and save them to CD (write once) and then be able to read them on my Mac. But when I filled the CD on the Win machine and then took it to my Mac it gave me the "This disk is unreadable, would you like to format it" dialog. So I just hit the Eject button that appears and can now only access those files via a Windoze machine. I had hoped that the PC Exchange extension that allows Macs to read PC formatted disks would kick in, as it works for both floppies and Zip disks on my machine. But apparently it doesn't work for CDs or maybe there's something about the way that a 3rd party PC formatter formats it that prevents the mac from recognizing it. Does anyone out there have any suggestions? -- Jason's permanent email: jchafin@bigfoot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:49:00 -0400 From: Reid Luhman Subject: Remote Access, FreePPP, and ISPs I've had some problems getting Macs (mine and others) with OS 8.x to connect to a local ISP. Remote Access produces dropped connections. I checked with the tech guy who watched my login. My computer was sending echo requests every 8 seconds. With this game of catch going on every 8 seconds between my Mac and their server, it was only a matter of time until one side dropped the ball. I am unable to find a way to prevent Remote Access from constantly checking the connection. I then tried disabling all Remote Access and Open Transport control panels and extensions while switching over to FreePPP 2.6.2 (their newest version). This approach *never* produced a dropped connection (you can turn off the "check connection" feature) but it has its own problem: periodically, my modem will connect with their modem but a complete PPP connection does not occur. I basically have a "dead" connection, unable to access their mail server, run a web browser, etc. I may get this kind of connection several times in a row (and with different modems at their end). Then, out of the blue, things will start working again. Does anyone have any experience along these lines? Thanks in advance. Reid Luhman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:14:13 -0700 From: "Licha & Gremlin" Subject: Satelite and cable modem using ethernet All macs ever built are network capable. The network software is included in the operating system. There is at least one hardware connector suitable for a network connection. Most (probably all) Apple Macintosh Power PCs sold since 1994 have ethernet ports. Before that, Local Talk was used to connect computers and printers together into small networks. Ethernet is much faster. Some older macs (like 6100 series pizza box performa style Power PCs) require an adapter to convert from the older style ethernet connectors to the newer style connector commonly used on ethernet cables available at this time. Open Transport (included in Apple OS 7.5.3 and later) has a selection for ethernet as your TCP/IP connection. I recently obtained a cable modem, and this is how it works. If you have only one mac, then the network device (cable/satellite modem) and the mac will be connected directly, and you only need to create a new internet connection ISP configuration which uses the ethernet port. OS 8.5 and later include an internet setup assistant in the apple menu to do this. There is no additional hardware or software to install. You only need the cable that connects the two devices (and possibly an adapter to swap wires or present the correct plug style for the type of cable you plan to use). Best to call the hardware manufacturer for advice if you are not sure (maybe Apple?). Since most macs already have ethernet on the mother board, most Wintel PC stores will tell you that they can not find Wintel PC style ethernet cards with fancy software for macs, so you can't use ethernet on a mac, and must use Wintel for networking, which is not true. I have been told that by Best Buys, etc. One possible store with employees that know how this works are those at Frys. If you don't see many macs in the store, if the macs you do see don't work correctly, or if at least one of the employees does not know the correct answers right away, then you should shop elsewhere. Since the introduction of the iMac, many larger cities within a few hours driving distance will probably have a new store specializing in Apple hardware and software (unless you live far from cities, like in Alaska or Canada). If you have more than one computer connected together with the cable/satellite modem, and if you want to use them on the internet simultaneously, then you need at least a hub to connect them all, and you probably need an application to perform packet switching among the various computers. You will also need a separate IPA (address) for each computer. If you only use one computer at a time for internet connections, then you *might* get by using the same IPA on each one. Since Apple makes it so easy to connect to networks through ethernet, local talk, etc., you have to be careful. The network version of At Ease (by Apple) and/or a suitable fire wall application would be a very good idea if you network two or more computers with a network modem since these applications are intended to protect files and information on your computer from being shared by unintended guests. Even if you do not have a second computer, Apple Talk should be turned off (using the Chooser) while you are connected to any public network, unless you have suitable protection. This will prevent information from being sent by your computer and intercepted by other people. Apple Talk is included on all macs, and it allows you to perform file sharing, printer sharing and other operations between computers that are connected via ethernet, local talk, USB, etc. While the Apple Talk information may not reach beyond the first router, it will be broadcast among all those in the local network on your side of that router. The people that could intercept your information would be your neighbors that also have macs in the case of a cable modem, but I am not certain about satellites. If the modem manufacturer (hughes) has internal modem settings, and that manufacturer requres that you run Wintel software to modify those setting, then you can (probably) use Soft Windows (by Intuit) to run those PC only things. Soft Windows uses Open Transport for TCP/IP, and has no trouble with browser and email applications. Soft Windows also allows virtual memory to be used (instead of crashing), which is not an option with some other Wintel emulators. If the store where you are planning to buy the satellite modem has honest employees, and they do not know for sure if the mac will not work (like if they have not tried it), then you should ask if they mind if you bring your mac in and try it out with one of the models that they have set up for demonstration purposes. Best of luck. ------------------- >does any one know of a satellite internet service that supports the >mac. The hughes system only does it through an ethernet network. I'm >looking for a standalone system . any hardware work arounds to make the >pcdirect boards work on a mac. >thanks for your information >tom cole roycash@interpath.com"> >roycash@interpath.com -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************